now, if we were in conditions wh we didn't have any deficit i issues, of course, we wouldn't have any ned to raise taxes on anyone one, but we have competing priorities and have to find a w to pay for them. melissa: we have a spendingwe problem, h drunken sailors, a credit car to run forever, and we just can't. >> that also has consequences.ee as everyone knows with the looming so-called fiscal cliff discussion, if you cut too muchu you also drive th economy into an abyss so, you know, we'd all like to say we cut spending and live within our means, but it's not as simple as that.ple you can also cut spending too much so that you actually hurtrt the economy you're supposed to help. melissa: so, i agree with whath you are saying, and this is too civil. i got to derail it somehow or else it's no fun; right?in what's the point in doing it. >> bring it on, melis,ring it on. do lissa: there's many times in the past where we've loweredn mortgagal rates and increased revenue.es if i were to conceive it's a revenue problem, it -- which i'm not going to, but for the sake of argument, under for